Some Answers:


The first thing I notice with reguards to how a Born Again Believer, someone who has felt the move of the Holy Spirit, can leave their Messiah, is isolation. 

Hebrews 10: 23Let us continue holding fast to the hope we acknowledge, without wavering; for the One who made the promise is trustworthy. 24 And let us keep paying attention to one another, in order to spur each other on to love and good deeds, 25 not neglecting our own congregational meetings, as some have made a practice of doing, but, rather, encouraging each other. And let us do this all the more as you see the Day approaching. 

Paying attention to one another, encouraging one another, not neglecting meetings of Believers all of these are linked in the Author’s mind to holding fast the promise that Yeshua made, that of Salvation and his return.

What happens when a group isolates themselves?…kool-aid and those guys in the jumpsuits that were going to meet the mother ship come to mind. What I’m saying here is if you isolate yourself, neglect the fellowship of the Believers, then you will follow that path to a bad conclusion. In matters of the Spirit you will follow a path that leads to wavering, losing hope and eventually rejecting the Messiah.

Let’s say you are a Mainstream Christian you keep Christmas, Easter go to church on Sunday. I am not I keep Sukkot, and Rosh Hashana and go to services on Sabbath. We both believe that Yeshua, Jesus, is the Messiah and our Savior, we both believe in a Virgin Birth, Crucifixion and Resurrection. Why then can’t we both attend a Bible Study together? Why then can’t we sit at the Shabbat table though I choose to dress modest and you don’t? Why is it that we will say well they aren’t doing it right, so we leave the Church, move to the home study and then finally refuse to study with anyone cause they don’t do it right either and then…we have found ourselves rejecting Yeshua and there wasn’t anyone there to say hey I’m not sure about that text, or maybe there is Scripture about that or…you see?

 So this is my first answer to how does someone leave Yeshua….Isolation, self imposed, through fear or pride of those who Believe but live it out differently.

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4 thoughts on “Some Answers:

  1. Theresa September 7, 2011 / 8:35 pm

    Wonderful point. We felt we needed “isolation for a season”. But we were burnt out from being used, exhausted and needed the healing of Sabbath. During that time we were home, we were also discussing with people online and began looking for a local fellowship. We still don't go every Sabbath because we find we are physically exhausted and feel like we are exhausted afterwards and wish we had a 2nd Sabbath. That is also one of the only times Hubby and I have to study together. So we have been going on first Sabbath which has a special teacher/teaching. And we may start going every other month. Another issue for us is that our kids are the only kids and so they are having difficulty with the LONG day. I do not want them to grow up hating Sabbath! So we are still in a process of sorting things out, but definitely NOT isolating ourselves totally. Also, I would not turn away genuine discussion with another Believer even if they dressed differently, came from a different denomination (if they are being stinkers that's a different story). I think that we are all on the same journey. What if no one had wanted to fellowship with me a couple years ago because I did not keep the Sabbath…AND just because we keep Sabbath and pursue Torah doesn't mean we have “arrived” or know it all. Can't wait to hear what other conclusions you've come to. Thanks for posting!

  2. Blacksheep September 12, 2011 / 11:36 am

    I totally agree with your analysis thus far. I also believe that there are certain types of kids that can only learn certain lessons once they have left the home. There were some things my parents tried to teach me that made absolutely no sence until I was “on my own”. Do you really think it is any different with the heavenly father. We have both had friends in the past who had to spend some time away from “G-d”. Not that they loved him any less or didn't believe he existed, they just needded some confirmation time. (I'm thinking of one blond haired friend in particuler.) Have hope in the FACT that if one is seeking the truth the word of the most high prmises they will find it.

  3. Lindsey December 26, 2011 / 1:07 pm

    This begs the question: what is ‘enough’ fellowship? I’m sure it’s different for different people and families at different times, but it is worth pondering. I even if you fellowship with a group of believers in a congregation, it’s important that we don’t isolate ourselves or cut ourselves off from either different kinds of believers or non-believers. I bet the kool-aid drinkers fellowshipped with each other plenty! I honestly don’t know how much they did or didn’t fellowship with outsiders, but I’m guessing not much.

    Another question is, ‘What is fellowship?’ Being around people that you don’t really share your life with, study with, etc. may not count much. It’s important to have people in your life that you feel you can bring questions to- not necessarily as authorities, but at least as respected roughly-equals who you can talk to and study with. KWIM?

    • harmony671 December 26, 2011 / 1:15 pm

      I don’t know what is enough, is a mixture of congregation and one on one study, house calls and congregations? idk, I agree that to cut ourselves off from other believers is definitely a problem and I try to associate with my fellow military wives at their functions because I don’t want to lose touch with the larger body, ykwim?

      I agree with the need for peers as well. You need to be able to discuss the how to’s with somebody who knows at least as much as you do.

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